Most often extreme anything one way or the other is not a good thing and the same holds true in Christianity.  You will see a group taking certain scriptures and going completely too far with them.  I want to bring to your attention to a great article I read yesterday on The Reformed Traveler blog originally on Galatians 4 blog  showing two sides of the same evil coin, Feminism and The Patriarchy Movement.  I am seeing more and more women who seem to be involved in this kind of thing, thinking to be a Godly woman you have to check your brain, your thoughts and your words at the door and lie down and be the door mat.  THIS IS NOT WHAT CHRIST INTENDS FOR YOU TO DO!!!  I read a book several years ago by Debi Pearl “Created To Be His Help Meet”, this book encouraged woman to accept abuse and stay in abusive relationships and just put up with it. This book is dangerous.  But that is another blog post entirely.  The Reformed Traveler has some great articles posted about these kinds of movements.  Please read it all the way through when you have an opportunity!

Two Sides of the Same Evil Coin: Radical Feminism vs. The Patriarchy Movement

By Bible Believer Galatians 4

One way the powers that be often work in this world is presenting two conflicting sides, that are no real solution but more oppression while the proverbial truth falls through the middle. Thus, the subject of this blog entry, maybe a bit far reaching but something that has been on my mind. Years ago even before I became a Christian, I realized radical feminism was a scam. After salvation, its satanic roots would come to light. Years ago, I and my friends were talking of the two-for-one deal the corporations got where now they got two workers working for the price of one, and wish it were the days where one income could support a family.

We have seen an erosion of social connections, family time, and the children have suffered, while to be blunt, the women have been overworked with the “two shift never rest” life. Working women with children today are perpetually exhausted? Why? Well there are only so many hours in a day.

Yes, there are women especially of lower socioeconomic classes who have always had to work, whether as a maid or cook, and single and widowed women who had to work by necessity. I am glad that more fields are open to women, and they can follow their pursuits out of the “pink collar” world, but feminism was not what it was cracked up to be in all facets. Equal pay, inheritance, property rights, protection from abuse, representation in court were some good developments even started in the 19th century to bring women up to a better standing but somewhere along the way, things fell off the track, radical feminism sold on behalf of the global elites, the whole “you can have it all” lie.

Women were shown pictures of high power feminists with jobs that brought them “empowerment” when in reality to work those sort of jobs, require a 60 plus hour a week commitment. Reading Ms. magazine, working class women need not apply, I felt it was written for women of only a certain socio-economic level where “work” meant fancy suits, interesting lunches, huge expense accounts and wonderful conversation to go with all that “power”. Some women find their way into that kind of life, but it is not the majority who are out doing cashier work, cleaning, factory work, or — ironically — taking care of other kids who aren’t your own for pay! The claims of “power” are dubious and were used to actually control women even more.




There have been many Christians I agree with who have exposed the total evil of feminism that include the murders of abortion. Why mince words: millions of lives have been ended where money and economics were to take precedent even over human lives, erosion of family life, decline of morality and debasement of women–maybe in old school feminism objectification of the female figure was cried against, but that is gone, in it’s so called third wave or younger feminism where debauchery is glorified on shows like Sex and the City.

Look at this picture, and think to yourself, does she really “love women” when she stands up for abortion with her disgusting T-shirt that admits her unrepentant sin?…[50% of those babies being killed are very young women] The “Illuminati” pyramid hand sign is not by accident either:




She sure loves that hand position!:




For those of us raised in Generation X, the women’s lib generation had a few good ideas with desiring women to be able to work different careers or meet each other halfway, but the truth of the reality hit home hard. One thing with social movements many are created, co-opted and used by the elites who now can direct and programme entire populations.

Raised as feminists, told that any vulnerability was to be squelched, led to work like a dog lifestyles where career was to come first and we were all supposed to move thousands and hundreds of miles away from our home towns, many of my college friends twenty-five years hence, we commiserated about feminism with hands held up in front of our mouths knowing our viewpoints didn’t fit the politically correct mantras around us, keeping these conversations private rather then public, saying “we felt lied to.” Many of us even admitted we wish we have had a more old-fashioned life, where the focus would have been on forming roots, a family and relationships instead of careers, which now seem to just take and never give, especially in this economy. In other words, a job is just a job, and today company loyalty is nil, meaning a company lay-off from out of the blue means it can be all wiped away. Years spent moving around the country, for the career, studies, or even just mere survival nowadays, one can easily wake up, unknown in yet another new city, you moved to- to “make a living”, and if no family or husband has been obtained, the pain can be quite acute.

I often befriend ladies who are far older then me. In my old small rural town, I had lots of elderly friends who say the last two generations of their daughters and grandchildren had it far worse. They say, “Where is your time? Everything is rush, rush, rush.” They told me when we were young we had far more times for our families and each other. Going for a cup of coffee with a friend even if they worked part time was far more doable. There was even this article from some years ago: “Desperate to be housewives, young women yearn for 1950s role as stay-at home mums”. This was an English article, but the same feelings were being heard in America.

Margi Conklin, editor of New Woman, said: “There has been a fundamental shift in young women’s attitudes towards life and work. They’ve watched their own mothers trying and often failing to ‘have it all’ and have decided they don’t want it all. They don’t want to work crazy hours while their children are put into nurseries and their relationships disintegrate under the strain.”



Some revealing studies have come out, speaking of feminism as a failure, asking why are there so many unhappy women?


In a recent presentation at a meeting of the American Law and Economics Association, Betsey Stevenson and Justin Wolfers of the University of Pennsylvania outlined what they called the new paradox of declining female happiness. After noting that by most objective measures, “the lives of women in the United States have improved over the past 35 years,” they showed that, nonetheless, “measures of subjective well-being indicate that women’s happiness has declined both absolutely and relative to men.”



Obviously there are some unhappy women out there.

But here’s the deal, when I was writing the Quiverful/Duggar article and examining all the Vision Forum, stuff, it seemed interesting, like a BACK to the PAST- BACKLASH. Where mythic views of the past were supposed to provide answers, to women’s [and men’s and the over all family’s troubled lives]. Are these movements swimming to the other extreme? As a response to the radical feminism, wanting to reclaim the past? To escape lives that have become unbalanced? Does this mean they are necessarily scriptural? No it does not. Being in opposition to radical feminism and it’s ungodly ways, does not mean a group has all the answers. In other words, evil can come from two different directions. Here we can see where the focus on the culture wars, is setting a new trap for Christian women.

Christians know radical feminism is wicked. Battling it out with men is a carnal way of life focusing on the feminist “power struggle”, but what about total unthinking blind submission to men? It is carnal too. Men biblically are the leaders of the family but this does not render women slaves. Evil is to be stood against lest it be enabled and God’s commandments and leading trumps any man’s demands or edicts that are wicked. One extreme to the OTHER rendering the woman in this case even more oppressed then before, where repression comes from a different direction, where overweening loyalty to career and self-improvement a la the Oprah generation is transferred into something more insidious.

For years one heard from the feminist movement; “Down with Patriarchy!” even in New Age spirituality and other feminist theology, the “patriarchy” or assumed dominance of society by men was to be dismantled.





By the late 80s, I was immersed into this type of thinking as I entered the Unitarian Universalist church, reading Naomi Goldberg’s book “The Changing of the Gods” where “God” was redefined and “goddess worship” spiritually advanced, cries for the patriarchy to be dismantled. I was further indoctrinated via a women’s study professor whose frequent subjects for papers involved comparing your personality to your favorite chosen “goddess”. Thank God many women are saved out of even those false lies, on this blog, I talked about my own salvation from Satan’s lies.





But now the New world order influenced fallen away “Christian” churches are telling women “Up With Patriarchy?” in response?

There is indeed a trend now in the churches called the patriarchy movement. Honestly finding out about this, I have been shocked, it is like the Taliban has come to America, in a pseudo-Christian form. Honestly as I have already discussed the Duggars, Quiverful Movement, Vision Forum, Stay At Home Daughters–where adult women are kept home under the authority of their fathers, are all branches of this rotten Dominionist tree. One thing I am discovering is there are many other groups now promoting these “women submit” solutions too. When I was young and UU, I read “The Handmaid’s Tale” by Margaret Atwood, it was a book where the state [working with religion] totally controlled women who were submissive to men–they basically lived like women in extreme Islam live today, but even more controlled, and subjugated by men living basically as slaves, there for their pleasure only and control. While I realized this book advanced many liberal radical feminist answers I did not agree with such as advancing abortion via the lie called “choice” by its extreme scenario, watching this patriarchy stuff, it’s like seeing this insane fiction come into reality.

Women in the patriarchy movement are to obey husbands without question, where marriage is to become a dance of tyranny, rather then a husband who loves his wife more then his own body. Women’s worth is solely in motherhood, a valuable position of course, but idolized in this movement. Women are even told to avoid personal friendships in some of these circles, and that they are not to talk in the presence of men unless invited to do so.

Kathryn Joyce, who wrote Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement, explains that women in biblical patriarchy are supposed to ask their husbands about every detail of household management (which is their sole calling), remain silent in church, are discouraged from speaking in the company of men, and are typically considered at fault for marital difficulties, all of which stem from their lack of submission. “

Everything is about gender, and about putting women in their “place” via control and severe positions. I’ve been told even writing this blog, by some extreme Christian patriarchy types, is a sin against God, because I am female. According to folks like this my only role is to post on knitting and babies, but different people are called to different things. God has a place for mothers and his other Christian daughters too. Whatever happened to this Bible verse?

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

According to the Patriarchy people, Priscilla would have been forced to stay home.

One thing Ive noted writing the other Quiverful/Duggar/Vision Forum article, they are selling a new “lifestyle” to women, very modern marketing, selling a “Vision” [a la Vision Forum?], One Christian blogger describes it thusly:

“I saw pictures of women dressed in beautiful Victorian garb. Of young families with their children and I wanted that. It looked so pretty. So happy.”

I too read the blogs with the wonderful gardens displayed, happy children, huge homes, and this emphasis on almost a “Christian” Martha Stewart ethos, where a perfect homelife was promised as long as you “kept sweet”, submissive and blindly obeyed husband and pastor or father for life if you remained unmarried remaining a child for life. What does this do for men when women give up everything for them to manage?

What is interesting is this “vision” goes totally against the life of the woman shown in Proverbs 31, she isn’t hidden in the house, barred from society like a Saudi Arabian woman squirreled away unable to leave home without a male escort, in this case, her huband is depending on her and trusting in her. She is in the market place selling things, and one would imagine actually “talking” to people. She is “working” and not a sinner in doing so, in providing for her family. Notice even in verse 16 she makes a real estate transaction!

Proverbs 31:
10 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.
11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.
12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.
13 She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.
14 She is like the merchants’ ships; she bringeth her food from afar.
15 She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.
16 She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.
17 She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.
18 She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.
19 She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.
20 She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.
21 She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.
22 She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple.
23 Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land.
24 She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.
25 Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.
26 She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.
27 She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.
28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.
29 Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.
30 Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.
31 Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates.

That said while here, the Proverbs woman, does attend to her husband, home and family, this idea of repressed blindly submissive women is NOT biblical. The Proverbs woman helps to provide for her family and is strong, not weak! One thing there is such a thing as balance in life. The pendelum swinging from extreme power struggles between men and women, overwork and rejection of family life and godly principles back to this patriarchy nonsense is the work of Satan.

Obviously one can see the appeal on the surface, but the reality does not match what this stuff really means or what is being “sold” to Christian women as the opposite of the radical feminism that has so negatively impacted their lives. In other words, the “new answers” are no answers at all, but just more oppression on women, where gender supercedes everything else including the preaching of the gospel.

There are some Christians who are concerned out there, and warning about this stuff. Here is one group,


“At a time in our church history that the main focus should be on winning lost souls and spreading the gospel to a hurting world, we fear for the future because the Council on Biblical Manhood and Biblical Womanhood has placed a greater priority on women’s submissive role rather than on the gospel of Jesus



While I need to learn more about this particular group,they definitely are right about that! They warn about how all the focus on patriarchial authority is another version of “priestcraft” and I totally agree. Anytime a false teacher says someone stands in authority over you, and intercessing for you that is just a mere man, instead of Jesus Christ Himself that is a problem. What very interesting too is the false doctrine that is exposed called Subordinationism, which is taught by many of these patriarchy groups, this essentially means that the Holy Spirit and Jesus [as part of the trinity-godhead] are subordinate to God the Father instead of being “equals” who are interrelational and “one”. After all if you are going to teach that women and even adult male “children” must submit to older male fathers, changes to the theology backing all this nonsense up are forthcoming. They are essentially making two members of the trinity less “powerful” which is blasphemy beyond belief.

There seems to be many front groups for the patriarchy movement The Council for Biblical Manhood and Womanhood is one of them. Why the focus on genders? It is a bit disturbing. Lots of big names from Piper to R Albert Mohler are signed on to this group! I find it amusing how every lady has “Homemaker” listed by her name even the one female college professors. Homemaking is a good pursuit, I cook and clean myself for my own husband, but isn’t that a given? While some of these groups are not as extreme as the Vision Forum folks, this one is definitely seen of the biblical patriarchy ilk. Much of this stuff is even entering the mainstream churches,not just fundamentalist or officially “family integrated” churches.

The other day I encountered something called: A True Woman movement. The name itself is kind of off-putting as if every woman that does not subscribe to these beliefs is not a true woman.




True Woman describes itself thusly:

The True Woman Movement is a worldwide, grassroots movement that was birthed on October 11, 2008, as over 6,000 women gathered in Chicago, Illinois, for the unveiling and signing of the True Woman Manifesto at Revive Our Hearts’ first True Woman Conference.

Since then, approximately 20,000 women have attended all four True Woman national women’s conferences, hosted by Revive Our Hearts in partnership with organizations like Moody Bible Institute, FamilyLife, Moms In Touch International, The Council for Biblical Manhood Womanhood, and Life Action Ministries.


Christians should avoid manifestos and signing their names to what are essentially “vows” but there too they have the proverbial manifesto, with false teachings and patriarchy advanced.

The manifesto is scary…I would never sign this document. Some of it sounds good, Christians all desire good things, morality a desire to gloryify God–who can argue with that but remember many false things are sold under the guise of something “good”. Ignored are the realities of many women’s lives in these sort of documents, there are many women who are single, who do not have families, who are childless, who were married before they were born again, who are married to non-Christian or unsaved men. Overall you will notice what I mean by the return to patriarchy, where submission of women to men, is the theme instead of following God as grown up daughters in Jesus Christ. Here think back to the false doctrine out too. These are parts taken right from the Manifesto:

When we respond humbly to male leadership in our homes and churches, we demonstrate a noble submission to authority that reflects Christ’s submission to God His Father.12


A noble submission to authority? I have prayed more would look to God’s will in seeking to do his will, then helping to elevate more false preachers. Even in a marriage, the man’s “leadership” is to be out of love, not the woman’s slavish submission, the man has his end of the deal too to fulfill:

Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

As for humble submission to preachers and church leaders, this is one reason the churches have gone so bad, the hirelings sure love to stress blind obedience and putting themselves above God for people to obey without question. Once they glom on to the women and get them to stop thinking and following without question, their power will be even more entrenched.

This one I found very interesting, given the numbers of abused women in this country, and others where such a belief has led to oppression and diminished lives. What if one of the Duggar girls want’s to leave home, would she be told that is a “Selfish insistence on personal rights”? This country was built on individual rights trumping those of the group’s. Yes being a servant can be a good thing for a Christian and that is a quality to emulate in Jesus Christ but keep in mind the over-all agenda here.

Selfish insistence on personal rights is contrary to the spirit of Christ who humbled Himself, took on the form of a servant, and laid down His life for us.13

They are correct that children are a blessing, but what about the childless, infertile, those unable to afford adoption, or never married women?

Children are a blessing from God; women are uniquely designed to be bearers and nurturers of life, whether it be their own biological or adopted children, or other children in their sphere of influence.15

Here they focus on gender as trumping all else. By femininity I suspect they mean meekness, mildness and a submissive spirit. They have defined it by their own twisted standards, here think back to verse 17 of Proverbs 31.

God’s plan for gender is wider than marriage; all women, whether married or single, are to model femininity in their various relationships, by exhibiting a distinctive modesty, responsiveness, and gentleness of spirit.16


Dominionism right here. Jesus said, HIS KINGDOM is NOT of this world. The patriarchy movements and groups are connected and interwoven with the Dominionist and other political groups:

1.Pray for a movement of revival and reformation among God’s people that will result in the advancement of the Kingdom and gospel of Christ among all nations.33


The leaders in this true movement stuff, are well known names, connected to many other well known leaders and published in mainstream evangelical magazines like Christianity Today. Many are blantantly ecumenical like Joni Eareckson Tada who even signed the Manhattan Declaration. Odd how they are so “liberal” when it comes to even signing agreements with churches that preach false gospels but so “old school” in promoting a new enslavement of women. Mary Kassian is one that teaches the same themes and has her website “Girls Gone Wise”. Nancy Leigh Demoss is another one, that teaches female submission will “alter the culture” in all her books.

So please think about these things, do not let these women mislead you down their false road and messages, that are not biblical. Patriarchy is not the answer either in response to radical feminism, these are more worldly answers that do not put following God first. Patriarchy is defined in the dictionary, thusly:

patriarchy (ˈpeɪtrɪˌɑːkɪ)

— n , pl -chies
1. a form of social organization in which a male is the head of the family and descent, kinship, and title are traced through the male line.

It is yet another message of social oppression and control that puts “another system” in place of what God has directed biblically and with the sinful nature of human beings has been much abused. Women are not slaves to men. They are to be helpmeets and mutual supporters. So please do not fall into the trap these false teachers have laid.


See the author’s post,  HERE ~ Bible Believer of Galatians 4 Blogspot